When I express concern about data centers to people here in CA central valley they say What's that?? If I try to explain they usually say I love ai it makes searching on my phone so much easier. Some use Chat GBT. It does all the work for them. That's the average mindset! I'm bookmarking this for when it happens here.
They say that even after learning that a data center would suck up all of the water and energy? A REP governor in CA would probably approve of having data centers despite the impact on agriculture & communities. Please vote for the leading DEM candidate in the upcoming primary for governor! Early voting starts in about a month and ends June 2nd. The 2 REP candidates are polling high/topping the polls.
“They paved paradise & put up a parking lot” was the 1st thing that popped in my head when I read your latest headline, Erin. Wishing you as much happiness as we can all find amidst the craziness.
In my case, a year ago a developer approached my township wanting to build a data center on farmland down the road from me. The township obliged by changing their zoning to permit data centers. But as a result of the Commissioner's draft ordinance, my township reversed its position, and this month passed a zoning ordinance prohibiting them! The final reading of the Ordinance is in 2 weeks - I'm so excited. Our community is already busy fighting an industrial application on a historic farm that is of major concern to our rural way of life, and the river, and our environment. To have one of the threats be addressed early without much drama is a huge relief. Hopefully our long fight on the industrial facility will eventually pay off.... Keep being engaged in local affairs everyone! Keep fighting the good fight!
Data centers should first prove that they won't adversely impact area communities’ water supply, waterways water treatment facilities, power grid, noise levels, traffic patterns, internet provider reliability, schools, etc., before they are approved. They should supply most of their own power using wind or solar. Data chip technology is always changing. Data centers should have plans for gow they will handle larfe-scale equipment upgrades so they won't become obsolete in a few years as more efficient and powerful equipment becomes available. They should also show how they are protecting communities from unwarranted surveillance.
There is no reason why a data centre can’t put up a cooling, condensation and recycling tower in their designs. Modern designs can be closed systems approaching 95% efficiency.
They can use solar or wind to provide the power needed for processing their water for closed cooling systems and for powering their computing equipment. That would reduce pollution and reduce the strain on electrical grids. Communities also need to consider how internet service providers can expand bandwidth to prevent internet interruptions.
Data center startups are following the silicon valley maxim of “move fast and break things” instead of planning properly to have the resources they need without hurting communities or the environment.
All we need are regulators with a spine. It should be a national specification. Otherwise, these companies can pit communities against each other in bidding wars to get the new business. That becomes the better deal for the loser who WON’T have the massive flat footprint taking arable land or the huge volume of drinking water (probably given free) lost to the totally wasteful but cheap cooling system. This is the USA run by the robber barons all over again. 19th century redux.
You are probably right. That’s where one needs a regulator. The technology exists and was developed to account for water cost and/or limited supply. It should simply not be an available option to build without a water recovery system.
I agree. It is unlikely to be done at the local or state level without being backed by federal law. They may be rushing to get them approved while the GOP is in power.
Community outcry made investors withdraw from a planned solar farm in Shiawassee Co., MI. Yeah everyone thinks solar power is great but this particular planning would have rendered hundreds of acres of fertile farmland unusable as well as using millions of gallons per week from our aquifer ( the large majority of us rely on wells.)
There are plenty of sites locally from closed manufacturing plants where it could have been located. Not on our farmland!
This year, with fertilizer shortages, farmers may have to increase acreage to offset reduced yields, or switch to less nitrogen-intensive crops. Our diets may be a little different this fall as well as our food costing more. Time for a wartime victory garden.
Retired NASA scientist Jonathan Trent gets standing ovations from govt officials for his industrial symbiosis UpCycle Systems concept; in Santa Cruz County, for instance, solve our ongoing/worsening salt water intrusion (gnarly issue for regional Agriculture), use that non-potable wtaer to cool a data center that serves the whole County, then turn that brackish "waste" into potable water.... Standing ovations, he gets, on refrain.. then; nothing changes because.. we can't break this 10 year contract to truck all this stuff to Oakland at $$$$ per ton ... Or.. Or.. Or...... Anything, ANYTHING, but paradigm shift. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-trent-7742555/
Soon all over the USA California passed SB283. Overrides the local or county governments ability to reject a Battery Farm. For the good of the state verbiage in earlier versions of the bill.
Well now I'm livid!!!!!! I'm in the central valley where there is a lot of farm land. The row crop farmers are starting to switch their fields to nuts. Mostly almonds.(Lot's of water usage & lots of dirt!) I keep dreading the inevitable data center takeover.
It doesn't help that it is also a very low information population. Most people don't even know what a data center is!☠️☠️☠️
because globalists & their corporate lapdogs want surveillance of every human. They want everyone chipped & to track speech, texts, purchases & associations. That required data storage
Sorry to nitpick here but..... In this article you state that "Ashville’s 2023 report identifies an existing natural gas line as contamination source number five within the one-year capture zone of the village’s wells, and that’s before any new industrial construction begins."
As someone who has done a lot of source water protection and development permitting work. I am having a lot of trouble understanding how a natural gas pipeline would impact an aquifer that is below the pipeline.
A generation facility could definitely adversely affect an aquifer, there could be transient effect during construction of a pipeline, but identifying an existing pipeline as potential source of contamination to an aquifer does not make sense. What concerns me is that an environmental attorney such as yourself and who ever is in charge of that water district, and probably most of the water district board should know that too.
Pollution into the aquifer equals poisons, heavy metals, etc., in the water supply. Consider what is happening in Ghana due to such water pollution in the water table. Children are being born with no limbs. Extra extrapolate.
The need to monitor and halt the sneaky uprising and building of AI Data Centers needs to be taken like Project Salt Box is doing with respect to the purchase and building of new human warehouse detention centers by DHS. Through the community efforts & sunshine put on the human warehouse travesty, there was recently a "pause" placed on new warehouses by DHS. IMO, a similar type of resistance can be done with the reckless proliferation of AI Data Centers by the private sector. At the minimum you should be able to slow the process down with a demand of an EIS (Environmental Impact Statement) which mandates public hearings pursuant to federal Clean Water Acts.
Phenology the study of cyclic biological events is one of our most sensitive indicators of a changing climate. Because cherry blossoms (Sakura) are highly sensitive to spring temperatures, they act as a natural thermometer.
The Baseline (812 AD – 1800s): For over a millennium, the peak bloom in Kyoto was remarkably stable, hovering around April 14th to April 17th. This suggests a stable regional climate with predictable seasonal shifts.
The "Great Acceleration": The shift began gradually with the Industrial Revolution but moved into overdrive in the last 50 years. The 2-week shift isn't just a "warm spring"; it’s a fundamental realignment of the season.
The 2023 Outlier: When 2023 broke the record as the earliest bloom in 1,200 years (peaking on March 20th), it wasn't just a "beautiful early spring" . it was a data point 25 days ahead of the historical average.
The Urban Heat Island Effect: While global warming is the primary driver, Kyoto's urbanization also plays a role. Concrete and asphalt trap heat, causing city trees to "wake up" even earlier than those in the countryside.
Bless you both and everyone that supports you in your tireless and unrelenting efforts. Thank you for maintaining your integrity over the years and standing as a model of what ONE can accomplish, how MANY may be influenced. This situation is inhuman, unpatriotic and a betrayal by those the people elect to represent them. I’m sharing everywhere for help.
When I express concern about data centers to people here in CA central valley they say What's that?? If I try to explain they usually say I love ai it makes searching on my phone so much easier. Some use Chat GBT. It does all the work for them. That's the average mindset! I'm bookmarking this for when it happens here.
Erin Brockovitch is a Hero! Thank you!
In China they are using it for improving agriculture for the masses, apparently.
I can see why CHINA is regarded as a danger by those manipulating the Moronocracy.
They say that even after learning that a data center would suck up all of the water and energy? A REP governor in CA would probably approve of having data centers despite the impact on agriculture & communities. Please vote for the leading DEM candidate in the upcoming primary for governor! Early voting starts in about a month and ends June 2nd. The 2 REP candidates are polling high/topping the polls.
“They paved paradise & put up a parking lot” was the 1st thing that popped in my head when I read your latest headline, Erin. Wishing you as much happiness as we can all find amidst the craziness.
Yes.
Folks, I wanted to share a positive story from beautiful rural western New Jersey. One of my County Commissioners came out late last year with a model ordinance prohibiting Data Centers. And several local townships are adopting it! https://www.tapinto.net/towns/phillipsburg/sections/warren-county-news/articles/commissioner-kern-shares-model-ordinance-to-assist-municipalities-in-evaluating-data-center-siting Commissioner Kern is receiving interest in his model ordinance from well beyond his county - including as far away the southern states. Would your township adopt something similar?? How can you influence such a change taking place?
In my case, a year ago a developer approached my township wanting to build a data center on farmland down the road from me. The township obliged by changing their zoning to permit data centers. But as a result of the Commissioner's draft ordinance, my township reversed its position, and this month passed a zoning ordinance prohibiting them! The final reading of the Ordinance is in 2 weeks - I'm so excited. Our community is already busy fighting an industrial application on a historic farm that is of major concern to our rural way of life, and the river, and our environment. To have one of the threats be addressed early without much drama is a huge relief. Hopefully our long fight on the industrial facility will eventually pay off.... Keep being engaged in local affairs everyone! Keep fighting the good fight!
Data centers should first prove that they won't adversely impact area communities’ water supply, waterways water treatment facilities, power grid, noise levels, traffic patterns, internet provider reliability, schools, etc., before they are approved. They should supply most of their own power using wind or solar. Data chip technology is always changing. Data centers should have plans for gow they will handle larfe-scale equipment upgrades so they won't become obsolete in a few years as more efficient and powerful equipment becomes available. They should also show how they are protecting communities from unwarranted surveillance.
There is no reason why a data centre can’t put up a cooling, condensation and recycling tower in their designs. Modern designs can be closed systems approaching 95% efficiency.
They can use solar or wind to provide the power needed for processing their water for closed cooling systems and for powering their computing equipment. That would reduce pollution and reduce the strain on electrical grids. Communities also need to consider how internet service providers can expand bandwidth to prevent internet interruptions.
Data center startups are following the silicon valley maxim of “move fast and break things” instead of planning properly to have the resources they need without hurting communities or the environment.
Agree completely, Patrice.
But “the birds!” We need to invest in better education systems.
Then they need to do that
All we need are regulators with a spine. It should be a national specification. Otherwise, these companies can pit communities against each other in bidding wars to get the new business. That becomes the better deal for the loser who WON’T have the massive flat footprint taking arable land or the huge volume of drinking water (probably given free) lost to the totally wasteful but cheap cooling system. This is the USA run by the robber barons all over again. 19th century redux.
Yes.
The reason is they don't care. Easier and cheaper to get sued and settle
If they’re given that option, I’m sure they’d take it. I don’t see the Trump admin forcing them into more sustainable designs.
MIT addresses this on LinkedIn.
I suspect that you know who invested heavily in the older technology, so it’s probably more of a money thing when you get down to brass tacks.
You are probably right. That’s where one needs a regulator. The technology exists and was developed to account for water cost and/or limited supply. It should simply not be an available option to build without a water recovery system.
I agree. It is unlikely to be done at the local or state level without being backed by federal law. They may be rushing to get them approved while the GOP is in power.
Of course it is about money. Why would they spend to protect the local communities if they can get away without doing it?
Then make sure this is explained to everyone and adopted as policy.
It begins at the local level.
Community outcry made investors withdraw from a planned solar farm in Shiawassee Co., MI. Yeah everyone thinks solar power is great but this particular planning would have rendered hundreds of acres of fertile farmland unusable as well as using millions of gallons per week from our aquifer ( the large majority of us rely on wells.)
There are plenty of sites locally from closed manufacturing plants where it could have been located. Not on our farmland!
This year, with fertilizer shortages, farmers may have to increase acreage to offset reduced yields, or switch to less nitrogen-intensive crops. Our diets may be a little different this fall as well as our food costing more. Time for a wartime victory garden.
Retired NASA scientist Jonathan Trent gets standing ovations from govt officials for his industrial symbiosis UpCycle Systems concept; in Santa Cruz County, for instance, solve our ongoing/worsening salt water intrusion (gnarly issue for regional Agriculture), use that non-potable wtaer to cool a data center that serves the whole County, then turn that brackish "waste" into potable water.... Standing ovations, he gets, on refrain.. then; nothing changes because.. we can't break this 10 year contract to truck all this stuff to Oakland at $$$$ per ton ... Or.. Or.. Or...... Anything, ANYTHING, but paradigm shift. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-trent-7742555/
Soon all over the USA California passed SB283. Overrides the local or county governments ability to reject a Battery Farm. For the good of the state verbiage in earlier versions of the bill.
Well now I'm livid!!!!!! I'm in the central valley where there is a lot of farm land. The row crop farmers are starting to switch their fields to nuts. Mostly almonds.(Lot's of water usage & lots of dirt!) I keep dreading the inevitable data center takeover.
It doesn't help that it is also a very low information population. Most people don't even know what a data center is!☠️☠️☠️
We survived all these years without data centers. Why do we need them if they’re such a pain in the ass?
because globalists & their corporate lapdogs want surveillance of every human. They want everyone chipped & to track speech, texts, purchases & associations. That required data storage
And it’s really all about control.
Sorry to nitpick here but..... In this article you state that "Ashville’s 2023 report identifies an existing natural gas line as contamination source number five within the one-year capture zone of the village’s wells, and that’s before any new industrial construction begins."
As someone who has done a lot of source water protection and development permitting work. I am having a lot of trouble understanding how a natural gas pipeline would impact an aquifer that is below the pipeline.
A generation facility could definitely adversely affect an aquifer, there could be transient effect during construction of a pipeline, but identifying an existing pipeline as potential source of contamination to an aquifer does not make sense. What concerns me is that an environmental attorney such as yourself and who ever is in charge of that water district, and probably most of the water district board should know that too.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pollution into the aquifer equals poisons, heavy metals, etc., in the water supply. Consider what is happening in Ghana due to such water pollution in the water table. Children are being born with no limbs. Extra extrapolate.
The need to monitor and halt the sneaky uprising and building of AI Data Centers needs to be taken like Project Salt Box is doing with respect to the purchase and building of new human warehouse detention centers by DHS. Through the community efforts & sunshine put on the human warehouse travesty, there was recently a "pause" placed on new warehouses by DHS. IMO, a similar type of resistance can be done with the reckless proliferation of AI Data Centers by the private sector. At the minimum you should be able to slow the process down with a demand of an EIS (Environmental Impact Statement) which mandates public hearings pursuant to federal Clean Water Acts.
Absolutely no data centers
Phenology the study of cyclic biological events is one of our most sensitive indicators of a changing climate. Because cherry blossoms (Sakura) are highly sensitive to spring temperatures, they act as a natural thermometer.
The Baseline (812 AD – 1800s): For over a millennium, the peak bloom in Kyoto was remarkably stable, hovering around April 14th to April 17th. This suggests a stable regional climate with predictable seasonal shifts.
The "Great Acceleration": The shift began gradually with the Industrial Revolution but moved into overdrive in the last 50 years. The 2-week shift isn't just a "warm spring"; it’s a fundamental realignment of the season.
The 2023 Outlier: When 2023 broke the record as the earliest bloom in 1,200 years (peaking on March 20th), it wasn't just a "beautiful early spring" . it was a data point 25 days ahead of the historical average.
The Urban Heat Island Effect: While global warming is the primary driver, Kyoto's urbanization also plays a role. Concrete and asphalt trap heat, causing city trees to "wake up" even earlier than those in the countryside.
I have seen articles about how they put off so much noise that it drives the people nuts within a region. We don’t need that
we use a great sized aquifer and the untouchable railroad built a
RE-FUELING STATION DIRECTLY ABOVE THE NORTHERN END OF it
which had been use for a couple hundred years and the area growing.
Despite promises galore and
binders full of plans and data .. it leaked oil and diesel into the a aquifer in no time at all🤬🤬🤬🤬
Bless you both and everyone that supports you in your tireless and unrelenting efforts. Thank you for maintaining your integrity over the years and standing as a model of what ONE can accomplish, how MANY may be influenced. This situation is inhuman, unpatriotic and a betrayal by those the people elect to represent them. I’m sharing everywhere for help.